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Why does people hate the idea that Dragonball GT follows after End of Z and FnF?
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What exactly is the problem with Dragonball GT being in the same timeline as the manga and FnF?

List your issues with GT being in the same timeline, also list the reasons why GT cannot be in the same timeline.
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The manga timeline is perfectly reasonable, in my opinion. However, it is impossible for it to be in the BoG/FnF timeline, and the two reasons are:
First, five years have passed between both Z and GT and between Z and BoG. It would seem illogical to have Whis have no role in GT, and for Frieza to not have his golden form in the Super 17 Saga.
Second, Vegeta uses his regular Super Saiyan form. Although Goku might have lost the power of SSJ God SSJ when he was turned into a child, there is no reason for Vegeta to lose this.

So, although I like many things about both timelines, it is sadly not possible for them to coexist.
What Broly fans say:
Broly might [beat Vegetto] because his LSSJ form barely has any drawbacks and his power increases.
rssj can galaxy bust. and lssj can maybe hammer the universe.lssj broly can look at ssj3 gotenks and gotenks will die. or he will just fire a galaxy buster. broly would kill ssj3 goku easily. i think the only characters who can fight him are ssj4 gogeta and vegetto. hes the LSSJ after all
Give me some feats by Vegeta in his SSGSS form. Otherwise, Broly wins via feats.
At first I was thinking Whis [would win]... But then you gave Broly prep.
Guys you know Living Tribunal is now dead! you want to know who killed him? here is the scan [a picture of Broly killing the Tribunal in one punch]
broly, best villan in dbz.
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It's not that I hate the idea per say, it's just they don't mesh. Surpassing Boo is supposed to be impressive in GT even though Golden Freeza, Beerus, and Whis exist. What's more, Freeza doesn't use his Golden from in GT, even though he's had plenty of time to get used to it. Plus, Freeza has a personal Hell in RF, while in GT he does not. Goku and Vegeta also use various SSJ forms even though they should have the ability to rely on God Ki in order to turn into Super Saiyajin God Super Saiyajins at this point.
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Before ROF, GT would have been possible. In BoG after Goku loses SSG he retain some of that power, wich would have explained why is so powerfull in base, but without the power to transform in SSG at will. But still without RoF, Beerus would have still come to Earth to check Super 17 or Syn/Omega Shenron. And after ROF its not possible, with Goku and Vegeta able to turn in blue SSGSS...
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I agree with everyone else's reasoning and also because the Pilaf gang are old again. They should be teenagers at the start of GT.
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In addition to what everyone else said, Cooler appears among the villains released from Hell in Super 17 saga. Cooler was a non-canon, movie-only character whose appearance wasn't reconcilable with the timeline of the main events.

Therefore GT basically sanctions a situation which couldn't happen.
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people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
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Apr 24 2015, 08:52 PM
people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
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people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
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What if Golden Freeza was in GT(with no explanation of course) and taught Cell a SSJ Esq form? How would that stand power wise since Boo is the scale in GT.
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Apr 25 2015, 02:30 AM
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Apr 24 2015, 08:52 PM
people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
Happy Birthday

What if Golden Freeza was in GT(with no explanation of course) and taught Cell a SSJ Esq form? How would that stand power wise since Boo is the scale in GT.
Thank you!

I'm not sure where he'd stand as I don't know if Cell can get a lot stronger like Freeza.
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Apr 24 2015, 09:43 PM
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Apr 24 2015, 08:52 PM
people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
goku during EOZ states that he had been training by himself during the ten years before EOZ when he was clearly shown training with whis and vegeta in the new movies. oobs power is of no concern.

its time to stop the nitpicking. its getting tiresome. all events on the timeline are part of the same continuity unless specified otherwise. you cant arbitrarily assume such a thing then ask for proof to invalidate your assumption.
toei puts GT in the same continuity as the new movies and so does the chozenshuu. its over. there isnt a debate to be had. its ridiculous when fans think that they have the authority to decide whats part of the continuity.
you dont decide that, toei and toriyama do. the inconsistencies between GT and the movies are 100% irrelevant. the only thing that matters is that GT, M14 and M15 are put into the same continuity by a head of the series.
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Apr 25 2015, 02:56 AM
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Apr 24 2015, 09:43 PM
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Apr 24 2015, 08:52 PM
people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
goku during EOZ states that he had been training by himself during the ten years before EOZ when he was clearly shown training with whis and vegeta in the new movies. oobs power is of no concern.

its time to stop the nitpicking. its getting tiresome. all events on the timeline are part of the same continuity unless specified otherwise. you cant arbitrarily assume such a thing then ask for proof to invalidate your assumption.
toei puts GT in the same continuity as the new movies and so does the chozenshuu. its over. there isnt a debate to be had. its ridiculous when fans think that they have the authority to decide whats part of the continuity.
you dont decide that, toei and toriyama do. the inconsistencies between GT and the movies are 100% irrelevant. the only thing that matters is that GT, M14 and M15 are put into the same continuity by a head of the series.
If Freeza can get super strong in 4 months, Oob can get super strong in 10 years. Again, I'll ask, where is stated that these events occur on a linear timeline? It's also amusing to me that you're accusing me of nitpicking when you're doing exactly that in regards to BoG/RF and the end of Z. Honestly, you can blindly accept or assume these events exist in the same universe if you want, but I'm going to go with what actually works.
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Apr 25 2015, 03:11 AM
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Apr 25 2015, 02:56 AM
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Apr 24 2015, 09:43 PM
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Apr 24 2015, 08:52 PM
people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
goku during EOZ states that he had been training by himself during the ten years before EOZ when he was clearly shown training with whis and vegeta in the new movies. oobs power is of no concern.

its time to stop the nitpicking. its getting tiresome. all events on the timeline are part of the same continuity unless specified otherwise. you cant arbitrarily assume such a thing then ask for proof to invalidate your assumption.
toei puts GT in the same continuity as the new movies and so does the chozenshuu. its over. there isnt a debate to be had. its ridiculous when fans think that they have the authority to decide whats part of the continuity.
you dont decide that, toei and toriyama do. the inconsistencies between GT and the movies are 100% irrelevant. the only thing that matters is that GT, M14 and M15 are put into the same continuity by a head of the series.
If Freeza can get super strong in 4 months, Oob can get super strong in 10 years. Again, I'll ask, where is stated that these events occur on a linear timeline? It's also amusing to me that you're accusing me of nitpicking when you're doing exactly that in regards to BoG/RF and the end of Z. Honestly, you can blindly accept or assume these events exist in the same universe if you want, but I'm going to go with what actually works.
i never said anything about oobs power was inconsistent. during EOZ goku states that all this time he had been training by himself, yet thats proven false by the new movies. it doesnt mean that the movies and EOZ dont happen in the same continuity.

i already said that inconsistencies do not determine whats part of the continuity. the heads of the series determine that. you have ignored that and continued to whine about inconsistencies.

toei stated that GT happens in the same continuity as m14 and m15. they are the heads of the series and are the only ones with the authority to determine where it stands in the continuity. you have ignored this as well and stated that im blindly assuming that they happen in the same continuity.
it would help move things along if you would debate honestly and stop ignoring everything that doesnt indulge your beliefs.
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I think there is a "difference" between Toei and Akira Toriyama. Of course Toei did their "marketing plans" . :)
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people dont want to accept GT into the timeline even though toei has already said that the events of BOG happened between the boo saga and GT.

people dont like to mesh GT, BOG and FnF due to inconsistencies(which is nonsense since EOZ is inconsistent with the movies) even though consistency doesnt determine whats part of the continuity. what determines continuity is the official word from the heads of the series.
How is the end of Z inconsistent with the films? It's really not impossible for Oob's potential to be comparable to the gods. I can name more inconsistencies between GT and the "God Arc" off the top of my head than the number inconsistencies in the entire manga. What's more, these inconsistencies aren't things you can merely right off. Also, I'm just gonna put this to bed. Where is it stated in the timeline that Shueisha created that these events all occur on a linear timeline? Last I checked, the timeline just provides the ages in which certain events occur.
goku during EOZ states that he had been training by himself during the ten years before EOZ when he was clearly shown training with whis and vegeta in the new movies. oobs power is of no concern.

its time to stop the nitpicking. its getting tiresome. all events on the timeline are part of the same continuity unless specified otherwise. you cant arbitrarily assume such a thing then ask for proof to invalidate your assumption.
toei puts GT in the same continuity as the new movies and so does the chozenshuu. its over. there isnt a debate to be had. its ridiculous when fans think that they have the authority to decide whats part of the continuity.
you dont decide that, toei and toriyama do. the inconsistencies between GT and the movies are 100% irrelevant. the only thing that matters is that GT, M14 and M15 are put into the same continuity by a head of the series.
If Freeza can get super strong in 4 months, Oob can get super strong in 10 years. Again, I'll ask, where is stated that these events occur on a linear timeline? It's also amusing to me that you're accusing me of nitpicking when you're doing exactly that in regards to BoG/RF and the end of Z. Honestly, you can blindly accept or assume these events exist in the same universe if you want, but I'm going to go with what actually works.
i never said anything about oobs power was inconsistent. during EOZ goku states that all this time he had been training by himself, yet thats proven false by the new movies. it doesnt mean that the movies and EOZ dont happen in the same continuity.

i already said that inconsistencies do not determine whats part of the continuity. the heads of the series determine that. you have ignored that and continued to whine about inconsistencies.

toei stated that GT happens in the same continuity as m14 and m15. they are the heads of the series and are the only ones with the authority to determine where it stands in the continuity. you have ignored this as well and stated that im blindly assuming that they happen in the same continuity.
it would help move things along if you would debate honestly and stop ignoring everything that doesnt indulge your beliefs.
Inconsistencies matter if they aren't minor retcons. Absolutely nothing about about Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are referenced in GT. Seriously, where is SSJGSSJ or Golden Freeza? You can't explain those away as things currently stand. With Trunks mentioning 19 and 20 instead of 17 and 18, you can attribute that to Trunks meddling with time. With Cell's regen, you can assume that as long as there is enough bio mass remaining, he can regen without his core. You can't just write off the fact that Beerus and Whis are nowhere to be seen. You can't just write off the fact that SSJ God or SSJGSSJ aren't mentioned. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza doesn't use his golden form. You can't just write off the fact that Freeza isn't in his own personal Hell. Battle of Gods and Resurrection F are Toriyama's products. Toei doesn't determine what happens in Toriyama's universe. Toriyama has outright stated that GT is a grand side story, meaning it isn't part of the same universe. What's more, you have still yet to prove that these events exist on a linear timeline. If all it does is provide ages for existing events, that doesn't mean they all exist in the same continuity. That is an assumption on your part, and is contradicted by the facts and even Toriyama himself.
EDIT: Yeah, as I thought, it provides the ages in which events happen.
Kanzenshuu: Chozenshu 4
 
The visual timeline from Daizenshuu 7 has been given a facelift. While it continues to give the exact dates of the major events in the series, with nearly the exact same textual layout, new events extrapolated from more recent releases have been added. It covers events in the distant past of Dragon Ball, such as the Elder Kaiōshin being sealed in the Z Sword around 75 million years ago, all the way to the end of Dragon Ball GT, which receives an additional two pages not found in the Daizenshuu version. In this respect, it is essentially identical to the timeline used in the “Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL” art exhibition, held in Tokyo and Osaka prior to the book’s release. (For those not familiar with the system of dates on the series, please note that it does not follow the years of the Gregorian calendar, and instead utilizes the fictional “Age” calendar. For example, the battle with Freeza takes place on December 24th, Age 762.)
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/databook/chozenshu/vol-04/
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